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Title: Making money?
Post by: Derek on July 02, 2006, 06:40:56 AM
Do you guys make money off of this? Was that your main focus for doing this or is it a side benefit?


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: 5meodmt on July 03, 2006, 04:51:18 PM
We dont make money from our internet station but we do make money in other ways


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Party 93.5 on July 03, 2006, 09:41:36 PM
basically advertising is where we make the money... or donations


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Derek on July 05, 2006, 05:33:57 AM
Is advertising actually a good way to make money or does it make just enough to support the station?


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: RyanMc on July 06, 2006, 03:30:43 AM
i think best way is getting people in and then advitiseing but it has to be good links so people link the site still not like google add sense


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Derek on July 06, 2006, 11:45:12 PM
Do you just sell advertising on the site? Or do you sell advertising over the air?


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: RyanMc on July 07, 2006, 12:29:02 AM
i would do both cause if radio gets bigger then adds will be great


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Party 93.5 on July 08, 2006, 02:25:32 AM
most money comes from advertising on the site since u can charge in many diffrent ways but i stay away from commercials becuase unless u have 10,000 listeners concurent  like di.fm commercials can bring down a station big time .... and atm my station averages 50 - 150 listeners


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: DJ Killa Bee on July 09, 2006, 10:29:21 AM
So, the whole goal behind an online radio station is attracting people to the site.. not just the station?


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Thomas on July 09, 2006, 02:23:27 PM
So, the whole goal behind an online radio station is attracting people to the site.. not just the station?

It's easier to advertise for a website than a station, what would you go link your stream on banner adverts?  How would that person find you again?


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: RaptureFm on August 09, 2006, 03:48:55 AM
We make money on avertising and putting on Events. But the love of the music is the main game for us. >:D


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Hot Rocks Radio on August 19, 2006, 06:24:04 PM
We provide a variety of advertising packages where we offer the options of banner advertising (two sizes) as well as 15 and 30 second radio spots.

We've just begun but the response has been very encouraging. Our goal is to recover the expenses of running the station. In the event we get to enjoy a little leftover at the end of the month, we just roll that over to the next month.

Major advertising revenues cannot be expected until a larger listener base is constant.  We anticipate reaching this level, but not for quite some time.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: ScProRadio on August 19, 2006, 10:18:26 PM
First theres alot of money if ppl pay like there supose to But with shoutcast you can make money just about anyway you feel fit to but remimber shoutcast also cost money its not something you want jump in to deep


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Thomas on August 19, 2006, 10:33:19 PM
I'd recommend google's adsense for people looking to make money on their websites without having to get advertisers.  They put adverts on your website which is relivant to your website.

You may have seen them on here!


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: ScProRadio on August 19, 2006, 10:35:17 PM
I'd recommend google's adsense for people looking to make money on their websites without having to get advertisers.  They put adverts on your website which is relivant to your website.

You may have seen them on here!

better yet yahoo adds they pay more


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Thomas on August 19, 2006, 11:39:10 PM
I'd recommend google's adsense for people looking to make money on their websites without having to get advertisers.  They put adverts on your website which is relivant to your website.

You may have seen them on here!

better yet yahoo adds they pay more

I have a YPN account but when I got accepted and had to put all my billing details in I found they only wanted people from america.  This was during testing though.  I may see what yahoo's policy is now; anyone know?  I wouldn't change adverts on my websites until I get my next cheque from google though.

Just a quick note to the members, don't use both google and yahoo adverts on the same website as that's a breach of the google terms and probably the yahoo ones!

On another note stick well clear of clicksor, bidvister, etc.  The adverts are not targetted unless you run a casion/adult website and the amount of money per click you get is terrible!


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: dizn0g on September 27, 2006, 05:02:17 AM
I agree with those who think in feed ads can bring down a smaller station, we have avoided them thusfar.  We use ValueClickMedia.com once we got to a traffic level that qualified for them.  It's much better than google in both the ads and payments.  We also make money on other projects, promotions, live broadcasts, and other side businesses.  One thing in the feed we're considering moving to is roll-in ads when you tune in, then ad-free feed as we don't see roll-ins affecting the feed much.  Anyone else considered/use this?

dizn0g


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: RadioBASH on November 27, 2006, 11:55:44 PM
I wanted to point my ad wors to this site but it was not listed on google.

:(


Fix that & I'll point some ad's this way.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: XeGSean on November 28, 2006, 02:02:46 AM
I'm sure if your radio station got big enough, you could sell advertising space to shoutcast server hosts, web hosts, and maybe some other types of hosts..

I am sure that most people are not in this for the money though but instead for the enjoyment :)


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Thomas on November 28, 2006, 01:11:45 PM
I wanted to point my ad wors to this site but it was not listed on google.

:(


Fix that & I'll point some ad's this way.

I don't understand what you mean?  What website?


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: RadioBASH on January 28, 2008, 11:30:01 PM
I am the new owner of RadioBash.com, Tommy House (yes that is my real name). Older posts within this forum and website are from the old owner and do not pertain to the new RadioBash.com If you have any questions please contact me.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: RemlapSoftware on February 02, 2008, 08:01:01 PM
Another good money spinner, which promotes greater listener involvement, participation and ultimately station loyalty, is to create your own dedicated radio player which listeners can download.

In this player you could incorporate listener chat facilities, webcam intergration, blog intergration and loads of other stuff.  You could even incorporate your own stream ripper, letting listeners create copies of all mp3's played (for their own private use, in the same way tv progs are recorded by viewers).  And of course you can promote special events or live gigs which are coming up.

With your own radio player you can also incorporate advertising into the main interface, which would provide a new revenue stream for your station.



Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: countrywesterndj on February 02, 2008, 08:50:29 PM
Most broadcasters consider stream ripping illegal and ban listeners that do it.

I sure hope you aren't promoting this software.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Thomas on February 02, 2008, 11:24:57 PM
Most broadcasters consider stream ripping illegal and ban listeners that do it.

I sure hope you aren't promoting this software.

It really just depends how the music is licenced and if they're new bands they may not mind people downloading their music for free if it gains them publicitity.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: countrywesterndj on February 03, 2008, 06:26:08 AM
All broadcasters in the States, who are legal, pay royalities to ASCAP, BMI, SoundExchange, etc.

It is illegal to record and rip a stream when there are licensed songs in the stream.

Yes, some Indies will allow you to play their songs without paying royalities.

Most every legal broadcaster in the States will try to thwart streamrippers the moment they detect it.

I really am annoyed at any person who sells or distributes stream ripping software and the people who support them.  I really hope they get sued by ASCAP and BMI.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: ShoutFromTheBlast on February 03, 2008, 03:48:03 PM
All broadcasters in the States, who are legal, pay royalities to ASCAP, BMI, SoundExchange, etc.

It is illegal to record and rip a stream when there are licensed songs in the stream.

Yes, some Indies will allow you to play their songs without paying royalities.

Most every legal broadcaster in the States will try to thwart streamrippers the moment they detect it.

I really am annoyed at any person who sells or distributes stream ripping software and the people who support them.  I really hope they get sued by ASCAP and BMI.
If it's not them selling them, its them releasing open source rippers... You never know for sure if your stream is getting ripped, not all need a 2nd connection to the stream. So you will never be able to fully stop stream ripping. And besides... if it highers your rank, why bother trying to get rid of everyone doing it on your stream? Look at the big stations like .977, hitzradio etc... They don't give a *. lol.. And people rip there streams day after day.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: PRI on February 03, 2008, 11:05:58 PM
I look at it this way: It's NO different than recording from your favorite FM station or FTA sat boxes. HOWEVER, I do have a license for EACH stream I have. As this is kindred to the IRS.
If ALL the fees actually went TO the artists rather than a slush fund to be distributed as seen fit, I would be more inclined to support ASCAP et al, but I DO live in the REAL world. It ain't gonna happen.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: RemlapSoftware on February 04, 2008, 02:00:19 AM
There's nothing illegal about recording a radio or tv program for your own private use.  If there were, Tivos, Sky+ and all video recorders would be banned from sale. As would the old radio/cassette players. 

The whole concept of "illegal downloads" is a nonsense in itself.  There is no such legislation.  No one has ever been prosecuted for "illegally downloading", sharing/distributing files in violation of copyright, yes!  The whole idea of "illegal downloads" was something put out by the Record and Film industry....'illegal downloading is theft!'  No it isn't, at best it's a copyright violation, a Civil, not Criminal matter.

Don't believe the hype...check the facts first.

Rob
www.remlapsoftware.com


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: RemlapSoftware on February 04, 2008, 02:22:07 AM
Oh and yes, I write stream-rippers....I'm also a broadcaster.  There's a stream-ripper available on my website.  I do not regard myself as a criminal, in the same way Sky and Tivo are not criminals.  I advise all my customers that, the downloads must be for their own personal use and that any form of distribution of these files would probably constitute a copyright violation.

Counrty&WesternDJ:  You wouldn't know your stream is being ripped, so how can you ban someone?  My rippers all work on a single stream connection.

One of my 'ripping apps' has been freely available on the net for over two years.  It's a popular app which includes an mp3 search engine and downloader, MySpace ripping and downloading as well as ShoutCast ripping.  To date the only problems I have incurred is a couple of letters from MySpace and one about 18 months ago from the Record Industry of America.  In each case, my lawyers responded by spelling out the real law of copyright and nothing further has been heard.  This application is a commercial program in as much as I give away the freeware version and charge for the Pro version.

Far from damaging the music industry, statistics show that those who are branded 'illegal downloaders' actually spend more on music than those who don't.

Cheers

Rob
www.remlapsoftware.com




Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: ShoutFromTheBlast on February 04, 2008, 08:46:37 AM
Oh and yes, I write stream-rippers....I'm also a broadcaster.  There's a stream-ripper available on my website.  I do not regard myself as a criminal, in the same way Sky and Tivo are not criminals.  I advise all my customers that, the downloads must be for their own personal use and that any form of distribution of these files would probably constitute a copyright violation.

Counrty&WesternDJ:  You wouldn't know your stream is being ripped, so how can you ban someone?  My rippers all work on a single stream connection.

One of my 'ripping apps' has been freely available on the net for over two years.  It's a popular app which includes an mp3 search engine and downloader, MySpace ripping and downloading as well as ShoutCast ripping.  To date the only problems I have incurred is a couple of letters from MySpace and one about 18 months ago from the Record Industry of America.  In each case, my lawyers responded by spelling out the real law of copyright and nothing further has been heard.  This application is a commercial program in as much as I give away the freeware version and charge for the Pro version.

Far from damaging the music industry, statistics show that those who are branded 'illegal downloaders' actually spend more on music than those who don't.

Cheers

Rob
www.remlapsoftware.com



Well said! And that's why I think it's stupid people write stupid scrips to ban certain players when it's easy to send the wrong program ID to the shoutcast server. Look at StreamRipper  plugin for Winamp, I've used that for years and it's probably the best one out there for my needs.

Also if people hate stream rippers taking up more bandwidth just limit your server to only allow 1 sourced connection at a time... It wont stop stream ripping on a single connection but it sure will on the ones that rely on a 2nd connection. But you will NEVER know fully if someone is ripping your stream. It's as simple as that everyone.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Melody on September 03, 2008, 08:29:40 PM
Yes, we make money and from the start! Okay, it's not a lot of  money but we are progressing every month a little more. No complains so far.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: PRI on September 03, 2008, 11:34:27 PM
No one has ever been prosecuted for "illegally downloading", sharing/distributing files in violation of copyright,
You couldn't be MORE wrong. RIAA is suing right and left and more than not, winning thousands in the process. Please use Google before you make false statements such as this. Information is very easy to find.


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: kwdservices.com on September 04, 2008, 03:23:49 AM
better yet yahoo adds they pay more

Really?


Title: Re: Making money?
Post by: Melody on September 04, 2008, 05:30:35 AM
Yes, Yahoo ads pay more money but the last thing I heard they are not available for publishers outside the US. So if you leave outside the States then you can only go with Adsense, Kontera, Chitika and others.


Title: Re: Making money?
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